Monday, December 11, 2017

Public defender Patty Poe gets in a huff about her stellar legal credentials, but if she's so gifted, why did she turn to a friend for help with law in Carol's case?


Patty Poe, on law-school graduation day
(From facebook.com)
When public defender Patty Poe informed us that her analysis of Carol's "assault" case in Missouri was based largely on the words of an unknown "friend," it was all we could do to keep from guffawing. Here, we thought all along that Poe was Carol's attorney, and it turns out Poe had a "mini Me" pulling her strings the whole time?

That was not the only moment of dark comedy -- one might call it absurdity -- in our communications with Poe.

During our final in-person meeting on Oct. 30, we challenged Poe several times about her assertions that our eviction in Springfield, MO, on Sept. 9, 2015, was lawful.

At one point, we must have struck a nerve because Poe got her back up, and speaking in her most huffy voice, said, "Let's get this straight. I went to law school for three years, I paid $300 to take the bar exam, I passed the bar exam, and I'm licensed to practice law -- and you haven't done any of those things."

As we say down South, "I'll de-clay-ah, aren't we soooo special?"

This is where comedy really enters the picture. Poe's rant about her credentials came less than five minutes after she told us about consulting her friend -- a supposed expert in the area of tenant/landlord law -- about various issues regarding the legality of our eviction.

Her friend, by the way, had no name, no affiliations, no location, no gender, no address, no cell phone number, maybe not even a law degree. But this veritable ghost was making decisions about Carol's case. Plus, he or she apparently was allowed to hear details about Carol's case, even though we had the impression Carol might be protected by this little item called "attorney-client confidentiality."

Sensing that Poe already was bent out of shape, and she perhaps knew she had stepped in it big-time, I decided not to let these words pass my lips. But here is what went through my mind: "If your legal education is so great, and your ability to pass the bar is so impressive, why did you need to consult a mystery friend to understand the incomprehensible vagaries of Missouri tenant-landlord law?

"Did they not have a course on legal research at the University of Missouri School of Law? Did you take such a course and skip it -- or sleep through it? Hell, I've conducted legal research to help write what has been ranked among the top 50 law blogs in North America -- and I've yet to have anyone prove my legal research to be inaccurate. I just went to the lowly Missouri J-School, but I can conduct legal research, and you have to rely on a friend to do it?"

As you can see, I was carrying on a bit of a rant in my mind. But here's where legitimate anger rose to a boil. Poe had admitted up front that the legality of the eviction was critical -- if it was unlawful, any evidence gathered in violation of the Fourth Amendment would be suppressed. And that would gut an already weak case for the state. Plus, Poe said right up top that she spent her time on criminal cases and knew almost nothing about tenant/landlord law.

"Fine," we said, "We'll be glad to help with research. We've lived tenant/landlord law for the past two years, so we know a thing or two about it." Poe seemed to think that was reasonable, and in that spirit, Carol sent her a series of five emails, focusing on issues related to the case -- including legality of the eviction.

Carol's research was on point, supported by citations to law, and concisely stated. Was Poe grateful to have a client who was engaged in the process -- and intelligent and committed enough to help shred the prosecution's case? No, all she did was bitch about it -- claiming (falsely) that this was wrong and that was wrong. Not once did she use a correct citation to law to show anything in Carol's analysis was faulty.

Poe did, however, have this friend -- the one with no name, address, credentials, etc. -- and we were supposed to believe anything this ghostly person said.

Perhaps you can understand why I have zero respect for Patty Poe, and Carol feels the same way. Poe might as well take a class on legal ethics and learn to tell the truth, because she is a piss-poor liar.

Here's the kicker: Poe did not just (falsely) claim that the eviction was lawful. She said, over and over, that it didn't matter whether it was lawful or not.

Now, that is a serious crock of elephant feces, and we will turn to it next.

27 comments:

Anonymous said...

If Poe had trouble figuring out something on Carol's case, she should have consulted her supervisor. To consult a friend who is external to the office was the absolutely wrong thing to do.

Anonymous said...

I smell fish. Something smells very fishy here.

Anonymous said...

What if Poe's friend works for the law firm that represents your landlord?

legalschnauzer said...

@8:13 --

You might be onto something there. That would be the Lowther Johnson firm, which represents landlord/thug Trent Cowherd.

Anonymous said...

Poe paid $300 to take the bar exam? I'd say she overpaid.

Anonymous said...

Most public defenders probably don't practice much real law. They just swap and barter all day with prosecutors -- here's a plea, there's a plea -- and they assume most of their clients are guilty, so . . . what the hell. No wonder Poe doesn't know how to do legal research. Her job doesn't involve much law.

Anonymous said...

Poe got the only innocent client she probably will ever have as a PD, and she effed that up. Typical lawyer.

Anonymous said...

If Poe's friend is so learned, she should be proud to disclose the name to Carol. Why the subterfuge?

Anonymous said...


“If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.”

― W.C. Fields

Too bad you and your wife apparently don't baffle when served low grade bullshit!

P.S. Question: How much per hour are Missouri public defenders paid? In many states the hourly reimburseent is so low that public defenders can't pay for an office with a desk. Cracker Barrel and Starbucks...

Anonymous said...

Agree with @10:04. That Poe won't reveal the name speaks volumes.

Anonymous said...



The Cracker Barrel and Starbucks reference is not a joke.

Did you meet your wife's public defender at an office?


Social engineering 101...

legalschnauzer said...

@10:27 --

Oh, I know it's not a joke. The PD office in Springfield has a building, and it looks OK on outside and inside. But the two times we met with Poe, it was in what appeared to be a community break room. Couldn't tell if she had an office or not. Missouri has one of the most poorly funded PD systems in the country; has been the subject of lawsuits and national news stories. If they are hiring the Patty Poes of the world, the system won't get better any time soon.

Anonymous said...

Poe is likely also seeking the meaning of life from her secret source.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Did you ask for the name?

legalschnauzer said...

@3:53 --

Yes, we did. And I'll be writing about that shortly.

Anonymous said...

Conversations between Ms. Poe and her "friend" didn't involve any real legal research. It was just a "jam session" to come up with bogus law they could shove down your throats. Unfortunately for them, you and Carol didn't buy their baloney. Smart move on your part.

Anonymous said...

In a strange way, it's comforting to know that lawyers in the Midwest are just as a corrupt as lawyers in the South. I suspect you can go to Siberia and find corrupt lawyers there, too.

legalschnauzer said...

@4:26 --

Couldn't help but chuckle at your comment. Just a few days ago, I was reading in USA Today about Longyearbyen, Norway -- on the Arctic Circle island of Svarbard -- the most northerly town on earth. It's in danger of disappearing because of global climate change, and the effects of man-made use of fossil fuels is unmistable.

Anyway, it might be the most remote place on earth, and I feel certain you can find corrupt lawyers there, too:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/12/08/northern-most-town-arctic-circle-risk-disappearing/919401001/

Anonymous said...

The article on the town in Norway is fascinating. Here is a very good video about the place:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NhIRwCq428

legalschnauzer said...

@4:43 --

Thanks for sharing the video. It's extremely well done -- awe-inspiring, really -- and I highly recommend that folks view it.

Anonymous said...

I suspect that the good folks living in the "Midwest" are insulted at the idea that Springfield Missouri is in the "Midwest".

Lots of people would tell you the Midwest starts north of I-70. There's pockets of the south north of I-70, but ya'll tell me how many pockets of the "Midwest" are South of I-70!

When you in the Ozarks you ain't in the midwest!

P.S. The "Midwest" really don't do Confederate statues neither!

legalschnauzer said...

I suppose reasonable people can disagree about what constitutes the Midwest. I just know that, while growing up in the Ozarks, everyone around me seemed to consider us being in the Midwest. For sure, the part of Missouri below I-70 has a strong Southern flavor -- and half of my own family's roots are in Arkansas, so I kind of had that Southern thing going on long before I ever set foot in Alabama.

Not sure this is accurate, but I've always thought of places like Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota and the Dakotas as the Upper Midwest, with Missouri, Kansas, Illinois, Indiana, etc as the Lower Midwest.

Oklahoma and Arkansas? Never been quite sure where they belong. Weather reports and so forth, when I was growing up, tended to refer to Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Arkansas as the "Four-State Area."

Anonymous said...

Keith Baker, isn't he the (married) FBI guy that was porking the court recorder during the McGregor bingo trial and the jury co-foreman Katie "flipper" Langer during the Siegelman trial? And aren't Baker and Langer both working in the Alabama AG's office now? Why would anyone believe a word he said?

Anonymous said...

Baker is a Bird Dog. Dogs can not talk anyway. Now if you was a Everley Bros fan, you could say he was named for his romancing. Now if you was a football fan , you could say he was bird dogging his receiver. Now if you was in real-estate , you could say he was pointing out valuable property. The point being, He don't need to say nothing- just point.

Anonymous said...

@7:11 -- And if you was a Bill Clinton admirer you could declare that he absolutely "did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." But in today's world, this BS is no longer gonna fly!

legalschnauzer said...

@1:39 --

Thanks for a funny comment, but it's probably not wise for me to publish it here. On the other hand, PP has cheated the hell out of my wife, so if you have relevant information on that, feel free to contact me:

rshuler3156@gmail.com

(205) 381-5673