Wednesday, October 11, 2017

David and Gina Shuler, who own more than $1.161 million in Missouri real estate, are seeking financial assistance for their son's therapy on GoFundMe


Jack Shuler
Is it OK for wealthy people to seek crowd-sourcing funds for their own family needs, which public records indicate they easily could pay for themselves?

That question was at the heart of our recent post about Gina Hayes and David Neal Shuler (my lawyer/brother and sister-in-law), who have started a GoFundMe (GFM) page to raise funds for their disabled son's therapy. Jack Shuler, 15, has Hurler syndrome.

Different people might answer the question in different ways. But the individual who tipped me off to the story -- I call that person a Source Close to the Situation (SCTS) -- had strong feelings on the matter, and they were not favorable to Gina and David. Said SCTS:

Here's my bitch of the day. Gina and David are on gofundme raising money for rehab for Jack. Now i feel sympathy for Jack, but gina and david don't need any sort of financial assistance. what does david make a year? $250,000??? or more. Gina probably made $100,000 before she retired [as an air-traffic controller]. my god they live in Millwood in a house appraised at $634,000. disgusting.

people like them don't deserve any help with medical bills when so many are suffering with no help. outrageous. arrogant. privileged.

It didn't take me long to decide I agreed with SCTS. In fact, I could even add a few descriptive terms to describe David and Gina's actions -- "shameless," "tasteless," "conniving," "self-centered," "attention-seeking."

David Shuler and older son, Noah,
on a ski vacation.
(From facebook.com)
My understanding is that David and Gina have not let much cramp their style. They have taken vacations to California, Utah, and various parts of Europe, family members have told me.

How wealthy are these folks who claim on GFM to need money? As SCTS notes, they live in Millwood, a golf-course/tennis club community southeast of Springfield, MO. Their residence, 3825 San Poppi Ct., is listed as being in Ozark, MO. Greene County property records show the residence is appraised at $621,300, so SCTS was almost right on the nose.

That figure, however, does not reflect the house's actual market value. It has 4 bedrooms. 4.5 baths, 5,557 square feet, and Zillow puts the market value at $718, 345.

The residence is only the beginning of Gina and David Shuler's real-estate holdings. They own seven properties in Greene County, Missouri, totaling more than $1 million. The exact appraised total is $1,161,500. A reasonable estimate of the market value is $1.3 million.

Here is a list of the properties, and their appraised values:

(1) 3825 San Poppi (residence)
      Sq. feet: 5557
      Appraised value: $621,300


(2) 4135 S. Parkhill Ct. (duplex)
      Sq. feet: 1676
      Appraised value: $137,900


(3) 4112 S. Ferguson Ave. (duplex)
      Sq. feet: 1941
      Appraised value: $146,600


(4) 3817 E. San Poppi Ct. (lot)
      Acres: 0.2429
      Appraised value: $63,000


(5) 2001 N. Boonville Ave. (duplex)
      Sq. feet: 1384
      Appraised value: $55,000


(6) 310 E. Camino Dr. (duplex)
      Sq. feet: 1114
      Appraised value: $66,900


(7) 304 E. Camino Dr. (duplex)
      Sq. feet: 1227
      Appraised value: $70,800


Do these folks really need help via donations at GFM? The financial figures noted above probably don't come close to their total net worth, which likely includes cash, savings, investments, personal property, real property in other counties or states (the $1 million is just in Greene County, MO), and other assets.

Couldn't Gina and David Shuler take out an equity loan or second mortgage on just one of their properties and pay for their son's therapy themselves? Could they cut back a bit on snazzy vacations and make the payments themselves? If the answers to those questions are yes, why are they asking for money on GoFundMe? Do their actions represent a special kind of gall, even fraud?

35 comments:

Anonymous said...

Maybe someone at their church suggested this and wanted to do it? Maybe Jack wanted to do it himself as part of a school project? Who are you to judge? Their goal (24k) is a pittance of the real medical costs they have and will incur.

Are you bitter because your own gofund me page has raised $520 (lol) in almost a year?
https://www.gofundme.com/roger-carol-shuler

Your brother is halfway to his goal (in 2 months) while you have had NINE donations in almost a year totaling a bit more than five hundred dollars.

Don't David and Gina deserve those trips? Don't they both work hard or have both worked in the past to bring in money for their family? What do you and Carol do? Fleecing the taxpayers while sitting at home researching court cases? Does Carol work? Has she ever worked? Why or why not?

Ed said...

Maybe I should start a GoFundMe so I can have a cushy retirement.

legalschnauzer said...

@8:33 --

A few points:

(1)The GFM page says it was created by Gina Hayes Shuler. There is no sign anyone at their church started it.

(2) How do you know what their medical expenses are? I don't. But it certainly appears that they have plenty of resources, just in real estate, to pay themselves. Are you saying their medical expenses are more than @1.16 million? If so, why turn to GFM? How is that going to help?

(3) Who am I to judge? I'm a journalist, with one of the top legal blogs in North America, reporting facts about an attorney and his family in the Heartland. Like many journalists, I also give my opinion, and I've made my opinion clear on this story. Check out George Will or Charles Krauthammer and see if they make judgments and issue opinions.

(4) So, you are going with the "what about your GFM page" strategy? That's real creative. Take a look at our page, and you will see we didn't start it. It was started by a reader, someone who wanted to help, even though we had never met him. Feel free to check public records, and you will see we don't own $1 million in real estate, and almost all of our assets have been stolen, including our home and clothing and furniture. But you think that's funny. What church do you go to? Is it one that approves of theft and laughing at the victims of theft and abuse?

(5) Why don't you call Cowherd Construction and ask for members of their crew on our eviction? That will give you the names of individual who stole almost all of our personal belongings and every bit of my clothes.

(6) Do a little work and review our various legal cases and see if you can find one that went against us and was decided correctly under the law. Total up how much money that all has cost us, and it's essentially government-sponsored theft. See if you think that's funny.

(7) Check out the X-rays of Carol's broken arm, courtesy of Greene Co. deputies. You think that's funny?

(8) You seem to be a master at changing the subject, I suspect because you know the subject doesn't make David and Gina look very good. The issue isn't whether they deserve trips or not? Who knows? The issue is that they are outlaying those funds, and now they are asking other people to help with their son's medical expenses. Are they poor stewards of their own resources? Seems like a reasonable question to ask.

If you want to compare how much Carol and I have paid in taxes over our combined 60 years of work experience, bring your tax returns and we will be glad to show how much we paid, compared to what you've paid. If you want to know what Carol and I do, and how many years Carol has worked, contact us via phone or private e-mail, and we'd be glad to discuss. If you bother to read this blog, I've written extensively about two of Carol's employers and her more than 20 years of work experience. Our contact info: (205) 381-5673; rshuler3156@gmail.com.

We look forward to hearing from you.

Anonymous said...

I think your brother and his wife are after attention. They are milking their son's illness for attention. They obviously don't need the money, a point @8:33 avoids.

Anonymous said...

Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends.
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
So Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz?

Anonymous said...

Notice that 8:33 can't question the facts in the post, and he can't overcome the fact that David and Gina appear to be self-centered a-holes. So he/she attacks the messenger. That's the last refuge of the scoundrel: When there's nothing left to do, attack the messenger.

Anonymous said...

Another point being we have to assume the son is covered under his mother's federal retirees insurance. I'm sure that's not shabby insurance.

Anonymous said...

Hey, I know what David and Noah were doing out on the ski slopes in Utah. They were looking for loose change.

Anonymous said...


The board of World Changers Church International, which was founded by popular elevangelist Creflo Dollar and conducts business as Creflo Dollar Ministries, said in a strongly worded statement that the organization will acquire the luxury multimillion dollar Gulfstream G650 jet they tried to raise $65 million to purchase through a short-lived crowdfunding campaign that sparked public outcry in March. The ministry shut down the crowdfunding campaign asking 200,000 of its international supporters to donate $300 each in March to purchase the aircraft that reportedly had billionaires waiting in line to purchase one last year.

legalschnauzer said...

@10:04(a) --

Yes, and my understanding is they are Trump supporters, and Trump is trying to privatize air-traffic control, which likely means controllers following in Gina's footsteps will lose the good insurance that helps keep her family afloat.

Anonymous said...

I think you had mentioned in your previous post that your nephew was going to a rehab facility in St. Louis. Do you know the name of that facility?

legalschnauzer said...

@10:31 --

I'm pretty sure it's RankenJordan Pediatric Bridge Hospital, which is in Maryland Heights, MO.

https://rankenjordan.org/


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranken_Jordan_Pediatric_Bridge_Hospital

Anonymous said...

Hey 8:33 . . .

What kind of bully and dumb ass are you? I know the answer to a lot of your questions just from reading this blog and from knowing about Roger and Carol's background:

* Mr. Shuler worked 20 years at U of Alabama Birmingham (UAB) and probably would still be there if he hadn't been cheated out of his job by political forces who didn't like the reporting on this blog. (Mr. Shuler has run a video with proof he was cheated out of his job because of practicing his First Amendment rights -- on his own time, with his own resources.)

* Mr. Shuler worked 11 years for a daily newspaper in Birmingham.

* Mr. Shuler has written of several summer jobs -- I don't know the details -- he had during high school and college, covering probably 4-6 years.

* Mrs. Shuler worked for roughly 20 years at Alabama Power.

* Mrs. Shuler worked for three years at Infinity Insurance.

* Mrs. Shuler worked full-time while taking a heavy course load at UAB.

* Mrs. Shuler has worked in sales and with a mortgage company.

Add all of that up, and it's more than 60 years worth of tax-paying employment. Can you match that? I didn't think so.

What a sorry sack of manure you are. You reference church, which makes me think you go to church. If so, it must really suck if it turns out dumpster fires like you.

legalschnauzer said...

Memo to @10:24 --

I invited you to contact me, and I would be happy to discuss. Carol would be glad to discuss, too. You're afraid to do that, so you must not have much confidence in your own viewpoints? Figures.

legalschnauzer said...

Memo to @10:24 (a follow-up)

Have you called Cowherd Construction to get the names of the people who stole our personal belongings? Have you checked the public record in our legal cases for examples of glaring public corruption?

No? I guess that would take work, and you are a lazy bomb thrower.

If you are that lazy, where have you worked and for how long?

Anonymous said...

@8:33 --

Knows he can't defend David and Gina's actions, so he tries his best to change the subject and attack the bearer of discomfiting news.

Lots of high school debaters have used that tactic over the years, to little effect. There is a name for those types -- losers.

Anonymous said...

LS:

Didn't you write that David was your mother's trustee? If that's the case, he should be able to easily juggle his finances a bit to pay for his son's medical expenses. If he can't figure that out, he must be an incompetent trustee.

legalschnauzer said...

@11:10 --

Yes, David is in charge of my mother's affairs, as I understand it. Has he done a good job at that? I have no idea. But the GFM site suggests he's not very good at managing his own affairs, so (like you) I wonder how well he has handled hers.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like he could have some serious rental coming on those other properties, I assume that's their purpose.

legalschnauzer said...

@11:19 --

Yes, those properties produce rent every month, so it's hard to figure how that couldn't help pay for family medical expenses.

Anonymous said...

If David and Gina were short on funds, why didn't one or both of them get second jobs? That's what a lot of people do when faced with a family emergency. Are they above that?

Anonymous said...

Pretty obvious that Mr. Schnauzer has gored an ox in the David/Gina Shuler household, exposing them as scamsters -- and surprise, surprise, they don't like being outed.

David is a lawyer, and the whole family apparently consists of Trump supporters, so it's little surprise that they are selfish con artists.

Steve said...

With any luck once you have sued David for the damages he owes you for helping Cowherd destroy your life he will need more than GFM to get himself out of the mlre.

legalschnauzer said...

Good point, Steve. That lawsuit already would have been filed, except we've had to fight the bogus criminal charges in order to keep Carol out of jail. Of course, that's the whole reason for the bogus criminal charges, to put up a hurdle to filing a civil case. Also, we've been trying to find a Missouri attorney who has a spine, and that's almost as hard here as it is in Alabama. When they find out lawyers (David Shuler, Craig Lowther) are proper defendants in our case, they don't want to get involved. And they don't want to hold Cowherd accountable either.

Lawyers and their corrupt clients form a sick brotherhood in the U.S., and I think it happens from sea to shining sea. If we have to take them on ourselves, we'll do it -- even though pro se parties routinely get cheated in U.S. courts. This much is certain: The people who caused us to unlawfully be thrown on the street and caused Carol to be beaten and have her arm broken . . . they aren't getting away with it, and they will be held accountable. And yes, a GFM site won't help David on that one. It's embarrassing to think I'm related to such a piece of pond scum.

legalschnauzer said...

Steve --

A follow-up. I realized in my response above that I used the term "beaten" to describe what was done to Carol -- and I haven't used that term very often in relation to the incident. That's my fault because a beating is exactly what it was. Cops invaded our home, with no grounds for even being on the property (much less inside the house), and they beat my wife -- not once, but twice. First, they slammed her head into the wall multiple times when they first broke in -- and I'm still concerned Carol might have brain damage that never has been diagnosed or treated. Second, near the end of the ordeal, a cop body slammed Carol butt first to the ground (and I know that was hard enough to cause a concussion), then yanked on her arms so violently that her left arm was broken into three or more pieces and her right arm was purple over its full length. How the right arm wasn't broken, I'll never know.

Bottom line: I realize that my language doesn't do this event "justice." It was an absolute beating -- the kind of thing that, if done by someone other than a cop, would result in serious prison time. I think I feel a post coming on this subject, and your question inspired it. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

It doesn't matter how much money someone has, they are allowed to ask for more. They aren't forcing anyone to donate and it's not a scam since there is a real illness. It would be wrong if someone asked about their finances before donating and they lied, but there is no evidence that happened. If you don't want to donate that's fine, but this just makes you sound like your jealous of your brother.

legalschnauzer said...

@5:58 --

I would suggest you need to take your moral compass to the shop for repairs. Yes, anyone can ask for more -- regardless of economic circumstances. But you think it's ethical for someone to ask for money toward something they can pay for themselves -- easily? Yes, David and Gina aren't forcing anyone to donate, but they also aren't revealing their assets, they aren't being transparent. You don't think that's a scam, whether the illness is real or not?

And I'm jealous of my brother? For what? Because his ethics are so shaky that he cons people into donating money that he doesn't need. If I ever stoop to that level, I hope someone will give me a good spanking or put me out of my misery.

Unlike you, I've known David Shuler his entire life. I knew and cared greatly for the David Shuler who was a real good person for many years. I don't even recognize the current David Shuler -- the one who stabbed me in the back with a vicious ex parte letter to a judge, the one who helped arrange for a bogus eviction that ended with my wife's arm being shattered, the one who (to this day) never has inquired about Carol's well-being, the one who tried to have us declared wards of the state, the one who baldly cons people into giving money he doesn't need. He's also part of a cover-up about Carol's injuries. He knows what happened because the evidence shows he helped set it up, but he says nothing. He prefers dark over light, injustice to justice.

You know what I feel for the current David Shuler -- pity. And shame. I'm ashamed to be tied to him, and I'm ashamed to be tied to my immediate family -- who David apparently has molded in his own warped image. Every member of my family likely knows about the abuse that was heaped on Carol and me in Alabama, and they likely know who was behind it, and they've kept their silence -- probably at David's direction.

If you think I want to be that kind of person, you don't know me at all.

To borrow from the late Tom Petty: "You can stand me up at the gates of hell, but I won't back down -- and I won't become anything like the current David Shuler."

For the record, I wouldn't want to be anything like you either -- unless you see the need to fix yourself and do something about it. Right now, it appears you got your ethics education at Trump University.

legalschnauzer said...

@5:58 --

I've got a little test for you. Let's assume I'm a man, and you are a woman. I have genital herpes, and I know it; I've been diagnosed and taken medication. I meet you somewhere and become interested in your assets, we have a few drinks, and strike up an intense conversation. Everything leads back to my apartment, where we have wild, passionate, mind-blowing sex. You don't ask if I have an STD, so I don't lie to you. I also don't use a condom. I just have an alcohol-soaked good time, pleased with myself for making you another "notch on my gun." After all, you are a true vision, with and without clothes. I've knowingly infected other women, maybe a dozen, but that doesn't stop me. I want more; I deserve it. Damn the torpedoes!

A few weeks later, you call and inform me that you've been diagnosed with genital herpes. I say, "Gosh, I don't know where you got that. You must have been sleeping with quite a few guys lately."

You see this as moral and proper behavior?

Anonymous said...

First of all, I admit that I don't know all of the lyrics to Tom Petty, but did he really sing the line " -- and I won't become anything like the current David Shuler."? I find that hard to believe.

I don't really see the connection between money and a medical condition, but I will play along. I would not personally meet someone and have unprotected sex with them, but assuming that happened, most of the fault would be mine for not attempting to protect myself or at least question. You are a jerk for not admitting you have herpes when I asked about it, but the damage was already done. So the moral of the story is to wear a condom when you donate money to someone on go fund me.

If we go to lunch and I ask you to pay for my meal, knowing full well I have the cash in my pocket, is that a scam. It may seem like a jerk move, but it isn't a scam. It's not illegal and you have the option to tell me no. That is closer to the go fund me page than this wild sex thing you have imagined with me.

This wild sex stuff made me think of the Tom Petty lyrics "But not me baby, I've got you to save me, Oh yer so bad, best thing I ever had, In a world gone mad, yer so bad"

legalschnauzer said...

@10:42 --

Thanks for your Petty lyrics. Must admit I took some liberties with the lyrics to "I Won't Back Down." Pretty sure Petty didn't write about David Shuler.

In my herpes scenario, you didn't ask about it; I just conveniently didn't tell you. That's where the similarity comes in the David/Gina story. They conveniently don't tell would-be donors on GFM that they are millionaires and don't, in any way, need the money. You admit my character was making a jerk move, so I think we agree on that. My character took advantage of you because he could, and it fed his desires. I see David/Gina as doing pretty much the same thing.

BTW, I love your line: "So the moral of the story is to wear a condom when you donate money to someone on GoFundMe." Made me LOL.

As for your lunch scenario, you admit that also is a jerk move, but you note that it's not a crime, so it's not a scam. I guess we have different definitions of a "scam." I don't see a scam having to be a crime. I have no reason to think David/Gina are doing anything criminal, but it's dishonest, and it meets my definition of a scam.

From where I sit, I don't think you and I are all that far apart. We seem to agree that the GFM deal, for people like David/Gina, is a jerk move.

Appreciate your humor and take on things. Thanks for playing.

Anonymous said...

For the record, this is a scam.

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2017/05/shelby_county_woman_accused_of.html

legalschnauzer said...

@7:05 --

Yes, that's a scam. You might notice that the story says it's also a crime, one called "theft by deception." I'm going to do some research on that subject. Curious about the elements of that offense, in Alabama and elsewhere. Thanks for sharing.

Anonymous said...

I believe the charge is theft of property. The deception part actually comes from the definition of theft prior to the actual charge. 13A-8-2 gives the definition (2) Knowingly obtains by deception control over the property of another, with intent to deprive the owner of his or her property. Then it's value determines if it's Theft of Property 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th

Anonymous said...

Just shameful. I know very well the kind of benefits Gina has from her job. As a retired air traffic controller she has a great pension and one of the very best health benefits available in this country. When she worked, she used to brag how her salary was just her fun/spending money. I also know that when Jack got sick, air traffic controllers from all over the country donated several hundred sick hours so that she could continue to receive her full salary and be with Jack in the hospital in North Carolina all the months they were there. This is after years of abusing her own sick leave. She also scammed the federal government for an injury that most likely happened on a skiing vacation and not at work as she claimed. She received a large cash settlement as a result of this scam. According to her, they also bought a condo in Malibu, California so that Jack could live out his dream of being an actor. When she retired in 2015 at age of 50 her salary was $106,000.00. Karma is a bitch!

legalschnauzer said...

@11:00 --

Thanks for an interesting comment. I had not heard about the injury/settlement etc. Do you have any details on that? I'd heard she had some issues at work, perhaps over the sick leave issue.

Sounds like she won't be missed in the workplace.