tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post3833826630843695304..comments2024-03-12T21:13:06.850-05:00Comments on Legal Schnauzer: Nobody seems to know if Russian hackers manipulated vote tabulations on Election Day 2016, but too many Americans want to put the issue to a premature restlegalschnauzerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09619089628125964154noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-68695138352009681352017-01-05T23:17:53.631-06:002017-01-05T23:17:53.631-06:00From Newsweek:
An unclassified version of the in...From Newsweek: <br /><br />An unclassified version of the intelligence community's review of Russian interference in the U.S. election will be made public early next week and will assign a motive for the attacks, Clapper said. The report was delivered to President Barack Obama on Thursday, he said.<br /><br /><br />http://www.newsweek.com/russian-hacking-major-threat-us-interest-intelligence-538945legalschnauzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619089628125964154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-60150860657370893522017-01-05T19:03:36.948-06:002017-01-05T19:03:36.948-06:00@5:24 --
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear....@5:24 -- <br /><br />Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I did not mean to suggest that hacking of the DNC means hacking of the vote occurred. My primary point, in that section of the post, was to show that Matt Taibbi's dismissal of the vote-hacking possibility was not well supported with a citation to the Kentucky law prof. The prof presents no more evidence for his position (that vote manipulation did not occur) than has been presented for the opposite position (that vote manipulation did occur).<br /><br />I think you and I are on the same page in that we both feel too much is not known right now. I think it's critical for our democracy going forward that we learn exactly what, if anything, happened with these vote totals. We need a thorough and transparent investigation, so that Americans in future elections have reason to believe the vote count is accurate.<br /><br />It's not enough, in my view, to shrug and say, "Oh well, the exit polls screwed up this time." They've never screwed up like that before, and we need to know if they really screwed up this time.legalschnauzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619089628125964154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-6899188658647531582017-01-05T18:34:32.414-06:002017-01-05T18:34:32.414-06:00Don't think names have been released to public...Don't think names have been released to public yet. Here is brief CNN story that is developing:<br /><br />http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/intel-report-says-us-identifies-go-betweens-who-gave-emails-to-wikileaks/index.html?adkey=bnlegalschnauzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619089628125964154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-48287162130726350072017-01-05T18:31:04.787-06:002017-01-05T18:31:04.787-06:00Have names been released to the public or have the...Have names been released to the public or have the perps been internally ID'd?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-91300212116135539692017-01-05T18:00:03.571-06:002017-01-05T18:00:03.571-06:00Thanks for sharing, @5:49. This could get real int...Thanks for sharing, @5:49. This could get real interesting, very soon. And it should; people need to go to prison for this.legalschnauzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619089628125964154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-69611876511056741222017-01-05T17:49:34.293-06:002017-01-05T17:49:34.293-06:00CNN is reporting right now that "U.S. identif...CNN is reporting right now that "U.S. identifies go-betweens who gave emails to Wikileaks."<br /><br />This is growing from a weenie roast to a bonfire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-42399455668814191252017-01-05T17:24:26.430-06:002017-01-05T17:24:26.430-06:00There are 2 issues here, addressed in your post. ...<br />There are 2 issues here, addressed in your post. First is whether the Russians hacked DNC servers and released or supplied hacked emails, etc to Wikileaks and as a result influenced how people would perceive Hillary, and as such, influence how people would vote. Second is the concern/allegation that voting machines or electronic voting devices were hacked to change vote counts in favor of Trump. There is no doubt that the hack of DNC server took place. The argument is who (or whom) is behind that. The issue regarding hacking and changing vote counts is different. There does not appear to be any credible evidence this occurred. You take the law professor to task for arguing that investigating the source of the hacking would be dangerous. However, I think you have conflated the 2 issues. Concluding or inferring that proof of the DNC hacks (whether by Russia or otherwise) means that the hack of vote counting is just not supported by the currently known facts, and is nothing more (at least at this point) than speculation. <br /><br />I don't have an opinion either way. The credibility of the political parties carry no weight, because they have no evidence. LIkewise the Trump camp- no evidence that voter count hacks didin't occur. And no evidence from any other source that it did occur. REgarding the allegation that news networks were hacked and exit poll results altered, who gives a shit? Any voter in this country who lets her or his vote be dictated or influenced by early polls and predictions should not be voting anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-87399391753367408292017-01-05T16:33:23.899-06:002017-01-05T16:33:23.899-06:00This is a solvable crime if we have the guts to so...This is a solvable crime if we have the guts to solve it Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-12473748800947186992017-01-05T13:50:37.128-06:002017-01-05T13:50:37.128-06:00If Russia was determined to see that Trump won, an...If Russia was determined to see that Trump won, and that's the way it appears to me, the only way to do that is to hack the vote totals. You don't ensure a win by trying to "effect voter attitudes." That might or might not work. You ensure a win by changing the votes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-12515614406195413312017-01-05T13:25:39.872-06:002017-01-05T13:25:39.872-06:00Excellent point, @1:24. Are we to believe Putin go...Excellent point, @1:24. Are we to believe Putin got afraid because Obama said, "Cut it out." I suspect it takes a little more than that to scare a former KGB agent.legalschnauzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619089628125964154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-56302770351717379872017-01-05T13:24:08.931-06:002017-01-05T13:24:08.931-06:00Why would Russia brazenly hack the DNC, do hacks o...Why would Russia brazenly hack the DNC, do hacks on AZ, IL, and FL, and then get cautious on election day? Makes no sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-88092254402606151562017-01-05T13:15:52.799-06:002017-01-05T13:15:52.799-06:00I share your concerns, Schnauzer. The whole thing ...I share your concerns, Schnauzer. The whole thing stinks to high heaven, especially when you have Trump dismissing the CIA findings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com