tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post2602992938880342060..comments2024-03-12T21:13:06.850-05:00Comments on Legal Schnauzer: Ashley Madison hack ranks among the top scandals of 2015, even though the press barely has touched key elements of the extramarital-cheating storylegalschnauzerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09619089628125964154noreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-55891181293520002132016-04-17T10:40:26.795-05:002016-04-17T10:40:26.795-05:00Hey Admin
How was your day. I think better.By the...Hey Admin <br />How was your day. I think better.By the way....A paralegal includes a major role to play in these transactions that play in between the customer as well as the seller. Paralegals have a role to play in the dealings from the required documents for the concerned property at hand.Look about: <a href="http://vaganslegalservices.com" rel="nofollow">licensed paralegal services</a><br /><br />Regards<br />Alexandra ArianaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08770894947677763050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-84548969024500290742016-03-12T10:53:51.051-06:002016-03-12T10:53:51.051-06:00Turns out you are wrong, @9:41. Roger does not hav...Turns out you are wrong, @9:41. Roger does not have, and never has had, an AM account, profile, screenshot or whatever.legalschnauzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619089628125964154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-9403455756852250782016-03-11T21:41:45.491-06:002016-03-11T21:41:45.491-06:00Turns out Roger has had an AM profile all this tim...Turns out Roger has had an AM profile all this time! I just saw the screenshot on Twitter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-90002779789116202582016-02-05T11:30:44.123-06:002016-02-05T11:30:44.123-06:00Why else would somebody go to Ashley Madison, @7:3...Why else would somebody go to Ashley Madison, @7:35, if not to seek an affair? That's the site's whole purpose. I've taken a number of courses on ethics in journalism--more than you've taken, I feel certain--and I've never heard a word about avoiding stories because it might be disturbing for a subject's loved ones. <br /><br />If you can cite any journalism ethicist who says reporters have a responsibility not to hurt the feelings of a subject's loved ones, please share. I would be interested in reading it.<br /><br />It's a matter of public record that I've sought comment from AM users I've reported on. So far, none has responded. If you've actually followed my coverage, you should know that. If you haven't followed my coverage, why are you commenting on something you know nothing about?legalschnauzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619089628125964154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-39977841250218688982016-02-04T19:35:46.325-06:002016-02-04T19:35:46.325-06:00Do you know that for a fact that they were seeking...Do you know that for a fact that they were seeking out affairs Roger? Do you? As a self proclaimed journalist with lofty crendentials, are you reporting their side of the story? Is the information you are publishing doing needless harm to the loved ones around them? Both journalists ethics 101. If you are questioning their ethics, it would seem they might have a spec in their eye and you might have a log in your own. But keep up the good work, Pulitzer is in the mail. Promise :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-48345749436108714632016-02-04T15:34:19.186-06:002016-02-04T15:34:19.186-06:00I've been following the back and forth here fo...I've been following the back and forth here for several days, and @11:24's comment inspired me to jump in. My question for @11:24--Are you saying it's ethical for prominent individuals to seek an extramarital affair by using Ashley Madison, but it's unethical for a journalist to report on that?<br /><br />If so, you've lost me with that reasoning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-32025042896272486522016-02-04T11:23:33.328-06:002016-02-04T11:23:33.328-06:00A point about your NYT assertion, @6:53. Neither y...A point about your NYT assertion, @6:53. Neither you nor I know why the NYT has not published the whole list. It could be because execs, editors and reporters from the paper are on the list. It could be because the reporting on this subject is labor intensive, and they don't want to invest the time and energy. NYT long has been accused of being a paper for elites, and the AM list is filled with elites, the kind of folks perhaps the Times would like to protect. It's also possible NYT is preparing an article on the AM story, and we don't know about it.<br /><br />I agree that just publishing the list is pointless. It gives you no context and doesn't tell you what really is behind all of those names. That's why I'm not doing that. It's why I'm covering the story in a way that no other news site/blog has taken on.legalschnauzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619089628125964154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-33163946674181414532016-02-04T11:19:03.872-06:002016-02-04T11:19:03.872-06:00What's unethical about the AM coverage I'v...What's unethical about the AM coverage I've produced so far, @11:24? Would like to hear some specifics.legalschnauzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619089628125964154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-79878885568664349012016-02-04T06:53:47.596-06:002016-02-04T06:53:47.596-06:00Its not being timid to be responsible and proporti...<br />Its not being timid to be responsible and proportionate, its just exercising judgement. Sure the New York Times could publish the whole list tomorrow. They don't though as it would be pointless and destructive.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-18788639745852116572016-02-03T23:24:27.768-06:002016-02-03T23:24:27.768-06:00Did you miss the class on ethics at said top tier ...Did you miss the class on ethics at said top tier journalism school? You should re-read your notes....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-35922194245131774892016-02-03T16:05:48.803-06:002016-02-03T16:05:48.803-06:00I've never said, @11:54, that my reporting on ...I've never said, @11:54, that my reporting on the AM story is driven in any way by what has been done to Carol and me. It's driven by what I've learned via a college education (two years of it in a top-tier school of journalism), plus more than 30 years of professional experience in the field. Also, coverage of the AM story does not preclude coverage of other issues--police violence, etc. <br /><br />I think it's pretty hard to seriously argue that AM does not constitute a story. It's been covered nationally and internationally, with parts of the story fairly well examined and others not being examined at all. The legal aspects of it are just now heating up, as I will be reporting shortly.<br /><br />I plan to focus on areas that have largely not been examined so far. Journalists make judgment calls all the time, but I'm not sure what it is to "self censor." One definition might be: To see a story, know that it's valid and accurate, and ignore it because it might upset somebody.<br /><br />I'm not going to practice that kind of self-censorship. I didn't start this blog to practice that short of timid "journalism," and I'm not going to engage in it going forward.legalschnauzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619089628125964154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-34930329866793201612016-02-03T11:54:53.667-06:002016-02-03T11:54:53.667-06:00I don't know Roger, I've read your persona...I don't know Roger, I've read your personal history and I think you've had a very tough life recently its very unfortunate what you and your wife have endured. I can understand your desire to expose some of the same perceived class that have wronged you, but really lets give these people a break. They are not the same people that wronged you and they made a pretty minor slip up in the scheme of life. Compare that to much more serious problems in the State of Alabama, police violence being one as you know. <br /><br />Just because you have the power and can do something doesn't mean you should and that applies to journalists as much as anyone. All journalists self censor to some extent right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-13961095879255494682016-02-03T11:23:39.618-06:002016-02-03T11:23:39.618-06:00I think the difference between the famous figures ...I think the difference between the famous figures who had affairs recorded by the history books is that by reporting on ordinary folk who do not have a chance to have recorded similarly balanced presentations of their character your blog maybe unfairly tarnishes them, where their good characteristics may be more humble and day to day, like being a good father to their kids, but that is not something that will feature prominently on the internet or ever really be recorded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-89681878953129337212016-02-03T10:25:36.804-06:002016-02-03T10:25:36.804-06:00@10:57, I would suggest you read my comment at 10:...@10:57, I would suggest you read my comment at 10:22.legalschnauzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619089628125964154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-84426680344398109862016-02-03T10:24:36.229-06:002016-02-03T10:24:36.229-06:00I would report it, @11:36, just as you spelled it ...I would report it, @11:36, just as you spelled it out. I would lay out the facts. If a couple has dealt with this issue in a constructive manner, I would say (to myself) great. And I would report it accordingly.legalschnauzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619089628125964154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-55247596451713286042016-02-03T10:22:19.328-06:002016-02-03T10:22:19.328-06:00I welcome your points, @11:45, but no one is sayin...I welcome your points, @11:45, but no one is saying that AM users (or anyone who has conducted an extramarital affair) can't contribute to society in major ways. Franklin Roosevelt had affairs also, and I would argue he was the most admirable individual of the 20th century, at least in U.S.<br /><br />That's one reason this isn't about "shaming," it's about journalism.<br /><br />Of course, how do we know about the Schindler, King, and FDR stories? Someone, a historian, a journalist, wrote about them. And it didn't keep these individuals from going on to be major figures.<br /><br />You have a greater understanding of these individuals because someone reported on their lives in a comprehensive way.legalschnauzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619089628125964154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-33873004120253131882016-02-02T11:45:22.497-06:002016-02-02T11:45:22.497-06:00One last time Roger. We will never meet but if you...One last time Roger. We will never meet but if you don't allow this to be posted you will know in your heart of hearts that you are censoring something that goes against your position on this, surprising for a free speech advocate don't you think? You can edit these top sentences out if you like.<br /><br />Your argument on AM is that it is an indication of character. To some extent yes, but two examples where it wouldn't stand up:<br /><br />1. Oskar Schindler had several adulterous affairs including with a Jewish women which some credit with giving him empathy to the Jewish plight in WW2. He is a war hero who it could be argued had poor judgement in his private life.<br /><br />2. Martin Luther King of course had affairs and he is on of the defining figures of American 20th century history.<br /><br />AM members indiscretions are much less than these two greats. I'm not saying their affairs are positive, just that private judgment is not the same as public judgement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-26473989626358368872016-02-02T11:36:33.388-06:002016-02-02T11:36:33.388-06:00Roger, If you contacted someone on the AM list say...Roger, If you contacted someone on the AM list saying you were writing a piece of them and they said either:<br /><br />1. Yeah it was a bit of a mistake but my wife thinks its not big deal and we're carrying on as before.<br /><br />or<br /><br />2. Yes this was a known and consensual part of my relationship.<br /><br />How would you write the story? It would seem odd to be more concerned about exposing it than the people themselves were about it happening wouldn't it? There seems an assumption that a couple would be devastated by this news, whereas in fact they might be dealing with it fine except that other people like yourself thought it was a bigger deal than they did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-50269519144088348052016-02-02T10:57:17.476-06:002016-02-02T10:57:17.476-06:00As several commenters have already pointed out Rog...As several commenters have already pointed out Roger, it is public shaming and it is not in fact journalism, it is gossip. If you call that journalism, then I guess the ladies down at the hair salon are 'jounalists' too. You should maybe help them out with setting up a nice blog site ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-74162287042695576072016-02-01T18:03:33.721-06:002016-02-01T18:03:33.721-06:00Interesting interview; thanks for sharing. Not sur...Interesting interview; thanks for sharing. Not sure when journalism became public shaming, or who made that determination, but it still made for a good read.legalschnauzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619089628125964154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-55362347145006986432016-02-01T04:51:14.221-06:002016-02-01T04:51:14.221-06:00A piece about public shaming that I found quite go...A piece about public shaming that I found quite good, especially the lengths people will go to justify their actions.<br /><br />http://www.avclub.com/article/jon-ronson-gets-serious-about-ashley-madison-and-t-226526<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-24478956338207674972016-01-31T14:02:58.649-06:002016-01-31T14:02:58.649-06:00Appreciate your thoughts, @3:04, but I disagree wi...Appreciate your thoughts, @3:04, but I disagree with some of the language you use. This isn't a matter of "going after people" or who is "fair game." That's not how journalism works. As I noted earlier, Mr. Gibson's own wife stated that reporters had nothing to do with his suicide.legalschnauzerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09619089628125964154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-70300993929253797682016-01-31T11:42:16.499-06:002016-01-31T11:42:16.499-06:00
Apparently online flirting is consented to by 50%...<br />Apparently online flirting is consented to by 50% of people in this survey, and up to 30% of people would consider a not strictly monogamous relationship.<br /><br />http://www.womenshealthmag.com/sex-and-love/open-relationship<br /><br />Maybe not your values Roger, but between consenting adults who do not set themselves up to be moral leaders then who cares?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-56069822430552309152016-01-31T11:19:13.317-06:002016-01-31T11:19:13.317-06:00Another thing LS. According to reports there were ...Another thing LS. According to reports there were plenty of people on AM who were either single or in relationships where monogamy was not absolutely required. Whilst these are non-mainstream in Alabama at least in public I understand they are actually fairly common in other part of the country (California, New York etc). <br /><br />Here we get to the public versus private thing again. Maybe you wouldn't want a mainstream politician or church leader to have these sort of relationships. However if joe the dentist, fred the banker, or jim the chiropractor and his wife do, then thats surely up to them? Its surely a gross invasion of privacy to suggest we have a right to impose our judgement on those private choices. Perhaps another reason why mainstream news agencies have chosen not to name names. One conservative blogger was made to look pretty silly after he outed a state department official who it turned out wasn't even married! In fact in that case the official got married after the hack, so clearly his partner wasn't too bothered!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3669412675139526125.post-81765643724646472892016-01-31T03:04:34.962-06:002016-01-31T03:04:34.962-06:00I guess this comes back to the whole issue of who ...I guess this comes back to the whole issue of who is fair game for a journalist. You can quite reasonably argue that Dean may have conflicts of interest in his reporting and Campbell, well I'm not from Alabama so I don't know how high profile he is. So the question is are you going after people that are fair game. Ordinary people who are not a politicians and have little in the way of a "machine" backing them up and also may not be financially secure would be defenseless and likely be destroyed in the same way as Gibson by someone such as yourself going after them. I personally don't think Joe the dentist deserves to have his life ruined for an online indiscretion and fairly minor human failing, and joe's wife and kids certainly don't. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com